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Author Topic: Power Plays--Extra chapter now up.  (Read 2150 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2007, 01:32:09 AM »

well hurry up with Power Plays and I'll be on my way!
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 03:28:39 PM »

Well, it's up to my prereader now.
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2007, 10:22:15 AM »

DONE.

http://www.darkscribes.or...p?story=442&chapter=3

Read and comment or I'll have your nuts for breakfast.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 08:03:16 PM »

Second most popular story on the site. I feel so dirty. Oh, yeah, just in the case some of bitches haven't heard, it's finished.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2007, 02:30:10 AM »

Wait for it Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2008, 02:07:07 PM »

http://www.darkscribes.or...p?story=442&chapter=4

Go read the extra chapter while I get my shotgun.

Also, I'm going to post the same thing that I did on my blog:


Nice to see double standards are alive an kicking. I'd call this gross hypocrisy but that'd be too obvious. So basically they reject my story on the grounds that it contains rape but somehow this story  which is clearly labeled a lemon they have no problem with?

So what happened the "rules":


"Rape in fanfiction is treading on some very thin ice, not only because many readers find it quite distasteful. If you decide to go this route, it is suggested you be very careful as far as character bashing and OOC go. We are very likely to reject rape lemons, as well as fanfics where the rape is the entire focus of the plot. Should it be an event in the overall plot, we will probably be objective with it. Essentially, if the intent of said rape is to be malicious, or to arouse, don't post it here."

Somebody please explain this to me. 

Needless to say, if you going to reject something on some bullshit technicality, then shouldn't you apply that to all other things equally?

Maybe now they have a rules in which lemons are not, in fact, meant to arouse. Or maybe it has to do with the fact that since Shinji is a guy and that doesn't get a boner out of the QC, then technically they didn't get aroused so then it's okay? 

I'm waiting for another round of bullshit. But I'm used to that.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2008, 03:28:40 PM »

I have no idea what the fuck is going myself.... I couldn't be arsed finding out. If I like a fic, I pass it, if I don't, I don't. Simple, and it works.

Don't know what anyone else does, and don't really care. But some people take it way to seriously. Author's and QC included.

Also...

While you can fap to a good-old lemon, and feel great afterwards. You always feel like a piece shit after fapping to a rapefic...

Also simple.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2008, 04:04:17 PM »

Read it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2008, 04:07:27 PM »

one of the reasons why I don't submit any work of mine to a panel. But yeah, I am a full supporter of the "ask/research first, then make a judgment" policy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2008, 04:18:19 PM »

Read it.

I will when I get around to it... I have other stuff to do like college. And probably exams/work/suicide in that order, not to mention my own fics...

No time for sleep.
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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2008, 08:36:29 PM »

the problem is you had Asuka be the one that got raped and that hurt allot of fanboys feelings.

domb bastards thats how i feel about them.
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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2008, 10:34:08 PM »

I can't speak for all members of the QC at the moment, but here is your explanation.

Power Plays clearly contains rape with the intent to arouse.  Witness, however, does not.  It does indeed contain sex and is thereby labeled as a lemon appropriately.  Some of this sex is rape.  However, as is clearly stated in the Author's Notes after the first chapter, this is done to shock the reader in much the same way that it shocks Asuka.

Here is the quote from the notes:

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Sorry about the graphicness of this story. I wanted it to shock and appall the reader as much as it did Asuka.

If the intent were to arouse, then the author would surely not be apologizing for anything that would do so.

Let me be clear and say that the rules do not prohibit rape, nor do they prohibit sexual content that arouses, yet it does prohibit rape for the pure purpose of sexual arousal. The rape found in Witness may be arousing to some individuals (though personally I find it pretty disturbing) but the main intent of said rape is not for people to get their jollies off and it is completely necessary to the plot of the story.

If you want to get into details of why your story was rejected again, I'd be willing to go over it right here if you'd like, and we can draw comparisons and I can explain the reasoning behind it all. But the main reason for any rejection/acceptance comes down to the personal opinion of the people QCing said story. Meaning it is up to the QC member to decide whether something is or is not quality, or if it does or does not comply to the rules. If you are of the opinion that the purpose of the rape within Witness was to arouse, you are certainly entitled to believe so, just as the people who QC'd the story are entitled to believe that the rape's purpose was not to arouse. But what is important, as far as I'm concerned, is that the two stories were judged based upon the same rules. The only arguments that hold any sway would be a differing of opinions.
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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2008, 11:03:13 PM »

That's quite the circular logic you have there.

It's a lemon. Lemons are meant to arouse by their very definition. It may not arouse you, but the intention is there. In arguing that it has "shock value" you are simply making my point. It has shock value simply because Shinji happens to be a male; if he were a female you would not be able to make that distinction even if the context were exactly the same. It still breaks the rule because it is meant to arouse SOMEBODY.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2008, 11:21:35 PM »

Evafics.org describes a lemon as the following: "A story that contains sexually explicit content. Not meant for prudes, old ladies, and choir boys."

While I disagree and think that old ladies and choir boys are welcome to read lemons, there is no implication that a lemon has to be for the purpose of arousal. All sex is not meant for that purpose. Such as say if you wrote a story about a character walking in on his/her parents having sex... you may describe the sex, but it's more to creep people out than anything else. Yet still such a story would require a lemon tag.

There's a later scene in the same story that describes the rape of a female, and even that's not for the sheer purpose of arousal, though it's more likely to do so to a mostly male audience. As long as the rape has a clear and defined purpose to the story, then it's permisable.

And let me be clear here, as far as I'm concerned the only reason the first chapter of your story was concidered rape with the purpose to arouse, was the bit with Kensuke, Toji, and Asuka... in my mind at least, it had nothing to do with the bit with Shinji/Asuka which did have a purpose to the overall plot and thus was permisable in my mind.
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2008, 11:41:56 PM »


And let me be clear here, as far as I'm concerned the only reason the first chapter of your story was concidered rape with the purpose to arouse, was the bit with Kensuke, Toji, and Asuka... in my mind at least, it had nothing to do with the bit with Shinji/Asuka which did have a purpose to the overall plot and thus was permisable in my mind.


I feel the need to expound on the fact that she only does it because she thinks Shinji believes she deserves it, and thus it plays on the fact that at that point she would do ANYTHING. It fulfills a story purpose because it shows how far SHE is going, just like the whole thing shows how far Shinji is going. Therefore, it has both purpose and meaning.

Also, "sexual explicit" presupposes it is mean to arouse.

It's also for "shock value". So there. The fact remains that you have two stories where both break the rules in basically the same way, yet only one is subjected to that rule and rejected ONLY on that rule. I am left simply with the conclusion that the rule is merely an umbrella to cover the lack of fairness and impartiality from the QC, another excuse in the long debacle that this was, born simply out of sense of vendetta  on the part of the QC because I called you out on the weeks and weeks it took to go anywhere with this story.

Same rules, interpreted different ways at your whim is no more fair than when a scientist molds his research only to fit an already devised conclusion.   
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